me: hello chickadee

Quelipoth: let me ask you an intereting question

me: you never ask me dull ones

Quelipoth: consodering that we have evidence showing Obama was losing until the moment he started attackign clinton

and that most of his campaign is based on mysoginistic attacks against her

me: yes

Quelipoth: is it ethical to hold Obama supporters, even those who have not theemselves personally attacked her with sexist slurs as being at least partially accomplices in the sexist attacks their candidate performed against her?

me: That’s a tough one.

Quelipoth: considering that teh message their support conveys is that they do not care whether Obama wins by disenfranchising women?

me: They aren’t responsible for his campaign, obviously, but it was his supporters doing the bullying at the caucuses

Quelipoth: well, they aren’t responsible for his campaign, but their support of it can be regarded as an endorsement of its methods

me: and NO candidate can win by alienating women

that’s absolutely true

Quelipoth: yes

me: and i have seen a few Obama supporters come out agianst the sexism, but not against the sexism Obama himself uses

Quelipoth: so, since we haven’t seen a movement by obama supporters to ask his campaogn to stop teh sexist attack, does that make them all accomplices, even if it is just by turning a blind eye?

me: just the stuff that the media spews

I kinda feel that way. That’s part of the reasson why i have lost some friends over this

Quelipoth: this is kinda why I have reached the conclusion that no progressive can support Obama while in possession of all facts and in good faith, and that some cognitive dissonance is involved

Sent at 2:37 PM on Monday

me: yes- though there are a shitload of “progressives” who think women are not fully equal. See Kucinich and his support for Ron Paul.

Quelipoth: i also think that Libertarian Democrat is the best description for obama

me: maybe

though I think he might be something else entirely

Quelipoth: the guy is not a progressive, and his weird belief that talking and free market will solve everything is a bit scary

me: that just makes him a classic liberal

Quelipoth: i think it makes him a post modernistic one

classic liberals were not afraid of wars when the need arose

me: nah- I think sexism falls firmly into the classic

Quelipoth: sexism is ever present.

me: But it doesn’t have to be

Sent at 2:41 PM on Monday

Quelipoth: it does, because otherwise the bepenised beings migth have to earn their keep

me: I think the whole problem is people seeing Obama as a new type of candidate. he’s not really. He’s a very traditional liberal who just happens to be black

Hillary hasn’t run on being above the political fray, she’s run on her own merit

Sent at 2:44 PM on Monday

Quelipoth: which is where i have a problem

me: Oh me too

That’s why the obamabots are scary. They are not looking at things rationally, but they are looking at him as a messianic figure. And there is a reason politics and religion shouldn’t mix